Tuesday, 30 June 2009

Primary and intermediate after two weeks of Vinyasa Krama

UPDATED
Interesting to practice Primary this morning (last Friday) after Two weeks of Vinyasa Krama. I'd kept Friday for Primary and Sunday for Intermediate but the rest of the time I'd been working through the VK sequences. Have been looking forward to primary for the last couple of days and was excited about it last night. I LOVE Primary.

I Seemed to practice Standing with more intensity and was already sweating buckets by the time I reached Seated. I was wondering if I'd still be able to make all the binds, but as it turned out I managed to get deeper, much deeper, into every asana. It seems I'm more flexible this week from all the VK work, although perhaps not as fit. My breath was getting ragged towards the end and I continued to sweat even more than usual. Weighed myself afterwards and I'd lost a kilo and a half during practice. Jumping back became a bit of an effort by the end but my Jump through was better, which is curious. My Dwi pada entry into Supta K was my best yet and I noticed more lift coming out of Navasana, is this the Bandha effect, I wonder.

I said a while ago that I didn't think the bandhas would get you off the ground (you need good technique for that) but once your off, I thought perhaps the bandhas might give you that 'little bit extra'. I kinda stand by that but might clarify it to 'quite a lot extra', am I coming around?
(this is the updated bit)
Found a similar thing with Intermediate on Sunday. I'd lost some of the fitness but gained flexibility and control. Amazing how you get used to pulling all those jump backs in between asanas. You don't have that in Vinyasa Krama jumping in only at the beginning of the sequence and and then out at the end. I think the idea is that your body is aligned and you try to keep that alignment through each of the variations. We have the same thing of course in the Pachimottanasana sequence in Primary, we don't jump back in between A, B , and C but wait until the end of that sub routine then jump back and take the counter pose Purvottanasana. I kind of tweak Vinyasa Krama by taking a Jump back in between each subroutine within a sequence but it's still a shock to the system when you come back to ashtanga proper and twenty odd JB's rather than say five.
So it's tiring, hard work, but the improved flexibility makes up for it. The Bow sequence has been helping my backbends deepen, nice kapo's and coming up from that and Laghu almost effortless. My solo Supta vajrasana is taken for granted now and I do it three times rather than just once (hands/toes too slippery by then for five). I've mentioned how the Vinyasa Krama work with it's extra prep poses have helped my Eka pada and Dwi pada Sirasana, getting deeper both sides now and could even pull Chaorasana ( I know, it's in 3rd now but i got used to doing it in 2nd from the Swenson book so have kept it) on my left side and hold it for five which was a first (left had always been my weaker side). Able to straighten my back a little now before going into Dwi and able to balance for a half decent namaste. Getting deeper in to the Titti's, legs a little straighter but the nicest surprise came in Karandavasana. Must be something to do with all the bandha work in VK because I engaged them and came down very slowly, smoothly and very controlled. Going back up wasn't pretty but up is up and I'll take that for now.
To recap, in Vinyasa Krama the breath becomes a little more central. Without the jump backs and jump through the practice seems to slow down, you tend to elongate the inhale and exhale and even hold the breath for a couple of seconds at the end of both. When holding at the end of the exhale you engage mula and then Uddiyana bandha. Now you do the math, a lot of exhaling in a 90 minute practice, four days a week (in fact it's spilt over into my standing and finishing sequences in primary and intermediate so six days, that's a lot of focus on the bandhas. Plus I find myself practicing this breathing throughout my day at work. 'The bandhas are becoming strong inside you young Skywalker'.
Should say that in Vinyasa Krama the breath is adapted quite a lot, in binds and legs to chest etc. the inhale might be shallow and shorter with longer slower exhales. I've noticed a few people saying they've bought the book after hearing me go on about it so much. Bit apprehensive as it's not cheap but I figure the breath awareness and bandha focus you might get from it is worth the price alone. I know we're supposed to be very breath and bandha conscious in Ashtnaga but I suspect it gets neglected, settling on just the ujaii and a tightening of your mula and Uddiyana when you need a little extra va va voom.
I'd planned on doing this Vinyasa experiment for a month and I'm half way through. I think at the end of the month I'll go back to focusing on Intermediate and trying to improve the flow and consistency but will probably carry a few extra poses from VK into my practice. So probably
Friday Primary,
Saturday something restful/relaxing from VK + lots of pranayama
Monday Intermediate,
Tuesday (day off) exploring 3rd ( have tasted most of the poses from 3rd in VK now and don't want to give them up completely).
Wednesday Intermediate
Thursday Intermediate
Which means today, being Tuesday is 3rd.
I tend to have breakfast early on my day off and leave it for a couple of hours before practice which should give me a little extra energy for all those arm balances. Nice thing about the arm balances in 3rd is that you approach them from headstand rather than jumping straight into them which is how I learned them in The rocket.
Still need to do a post on the Vinyasa Krama Jump back, bit different, you go back straighter. watch this space.

10 comments:

Arturo said...

hi Grimmly
you're right about the breath, we tend to not focus enough on it. it's what my teacher pointed out to me about my practice on Sunday.

i will put that VK book on my Amazon list. Do you recommend experimenting with Sweeney's A3 sized book with the notsurewhatitscalled series? it's across from me on the dresser and i don't want to get up. hehe.
cheers,
Arturo

patrick said...

Grim,

This was great. Love the bandhas/breath updates. Yes, sign me up as one of the VK purchasers, from watching it happen on this space (but was able to find a cheap used copy from some lucky Amazon surfing). It should show up at my door this week.

You really look forward to the tripod headstand entries versus taking the arm balances from the floor Rocket-style? I think the tripod entries are harder, but more fun (I like the upside down balance element), but coming back UP to tripod headstand is *so* hard.

And .02 on Arturo's comment: FWIW, I recommend playing with Sweeney's sequences. They are heavy on backbending, twists and hip flexor stretches, which is exactly what my hip flexors want. There are also substantial lotuses and inversions.

Chandra Krama is mellow but juicy, Simha Krama is more powerful and hip flexory (MS said that one student called it the Kapotasana sequence), Baddha Krama is power, power, power (but I LOVE it) and Uddi Krama is like Advanced series spun into some kind of Russian ballet. Yeah, I'm a fan.

Grimmly said...

I never really looked closely at the Sweeney sequences. If I want a sequence then I'm more than happy with Ashtanga proper. I bought the Sweeney book for the info at the beginning and all the stuff on jump backs and handstands.

What I like about Ramaswami's Vinyasa Krama is the Krishnamachariya aspect, trying to get some insight into what Jois learned from him, where Ashtanga comes from.

I'm struck by the idea that any sequence is a compromise. If you want to focus on the linking aspect of the poses by jumping out of one asana and into the next, then something else must be sacrificed, alignment perhaps.

It's curious how defensive some people are of Ashtanga, as if it's some divinely created and given system, perfect and complete. Looking at Vinyasa Krama and Ashtanga together it makes you wonder why he/they chose this pose rather than that. Do you choose a pose because it prepares you for the next, how many preparation poses do you choose. Do you choose poses that suit an exit more. Do you realize that you haven't covered backbends enough within the series and try to squeeze a couple in, do you go for balance and if so balance of what and for whom. How far do you look ahead and when you design the 3rd series do you come back and change the first in light of that. Who are you aiming the series at?

Krishnamachariya supposedly created and adapted sequences for individual students and their needs does this mean there is an ideal student most suited for Ashtanga and everyone else has to put up with it. if not what's sacrificed when you aim for something that suits a wider range of student types.

We know that Jois taught the first three series in a couple of months to those first American students but that he latter adapted that in face of the number of western students who came to learn the system, students perhaps not as committed and dedicated. He also changed from full Vinyasa to half Vinyasa another compromise.

Ashtanga is a wonderful system and maybe there's an 'ideal' student out there it would be perfect for, but for everyone else it's never going to be perfect and we should probably be adapting it to our own needs. It seems somehow ironic that the teachers who have the experience to adapt the system to their students seem more concerned with preserving the system intact, kind of forcing round students through square holes. It's quite a defensive attitude perhaps it'll change over time.

I've always wondered how Jois used to teach his students before the westerners came. I suspect he adapted his practice to their needs. Hasn't any of his former Indian students written on their experience studying under him back in the 60's

Explored 3rd today Arturo, got all the way through though with a lot of Swenson style variations on some of the more tricky ones. Wonderful series, way beyond me at the moment of course but nice to explore one day a week. Good to see where your going and how some poses in primary and intermediate will prepare you for later. With 3rd in mind I'm greedy for any taste of a leg stretch in the other series.

Grimmly said...

Bloody hell that's a long comment/reply, sorry

Grimmly said...

yeah i take that back about the jump in's to the arm balances being harder than the tripod. just did the lot this morning and I'm shattered. As you say getting back into tripod is bloody hard. i have bruised ankles bones from falling out of it so many times (I know YC, i'll be careful).

Meant to say to Arturo that you were the man for a Sweeney review, but I'm sure he knows that already.

Re. Baby, Patrick and not finding the time to practice, got one word for ya. GRANDPARENTS, hell my parents shipped me off to mine every summer (your favorite time to practice : )

Glad you picked up a cheap copy of VK, hope you get something out of it.

Yoga Chickie said...

Grimmly, if ever there were a perfectly ideal Ashtangi body, it is YOURS!!! You have mastered so much in so little time!!! It is mind-boggling and awesome!

Grimmly said...

Blushing now.
Does everyone find themselves noticing people in the street and thinking he\she would make a good Ashtangi. I tend to think I'm a little too stocky, My shoulders, back, my lats tend to muscle up too easily if I do a lot of handstands etc. I figure that doesn't help the binds. Bit worried about the effect of all the arm balances to come. Longer limbs would be nice. but hey, we work with what we have.

Liz said...

Grimmly, this made me crack up:
"does this mean there is an ideal student most suited for Ashtanga and everyone else has to put up with it."
Hilarious, and possibly true. I find the sequencing works very well for me, but then, I think I'm just to lazy to research any other ways! I'll leave that up to you.

My boyfriend is very muscular and often jokes about how he doesn't have the right body for Ashtanga. I remind him that where he may have struggles with back bending and twisting around his shoulders, he has ZERO problems with any arm balancing. We all have our thing, right?

Grimmly said...

No, I don't want to go down the sequencing route either, love Primary and really enjoyed Intermediate today (Hushed voice,3rd was interesting too yesterday, perhaps the best of the lot, look forward to doing it properly sometime). Maybe just tweak the practice a bit here and there. Actually I made a list of 'tweaks' under the headings, Standing, Primary, Intermediate and Finishing. Little bits I wanted to carry over from the Vinyasa Krama book. Didn't turn out to be that much.

Arturo said...

hey Grimmly,
i think your reply was a wonderful read. in the years i've practiced (now i'm going thru difficulties) i think i've mused about these things, mainly with Reinaldo, my first Mysore teacher.

my sutra teacher is an advanced, really advanced yogi. his wife is a very dedicated ashtangi. he is more of a hatha practitioner. both have been to India at one point or another. anyhow, he used to say that in hatha, the same mystery of held poses exists. by hatha he would include Iyengar and other systems. yogis have mentioned that there are thousands of asanas, but very few asanas are revealed. people ask them, where are these asanas described?, how do you do them?, and there is no answer. so maybe it's not that they are divinely created, it's that they are held back.

my musings on the subject lately are that our teachers are students themselves. teachers are at all levels in their own practice. some may be practicing 3rd series, but not have completed it, so they don't feel comfortable passing it to their students (besides that they are not supposed to if they have signed agreements as part of the authorization process.)

so technically, only certified teachers can teach the whole system. teachers who may have completed third and do not seek the authorization label sometimes do help their students practice 3rd, even with modifications. they of course would not be considered traditional teachers.

you indeed have a genuine curiosity about the system and are lucky that your body has allowed you do almost everything in the system.

cheers,
Arturo

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