Sunday, 17 January 2010

A sustainable, life long, Practice

I think I came across the expression ' A sustainable practice' a few weeks ago and it's been rattling around my head. It probably came up in connection with David Williams, who will be conducting a workshop on this topic, in London this Summer. I think he's called his workshop 'Ashtanga for the rest of your life', something like that. I either came across the 'sustainable' expression in the promo. notes or in a workshop review somewhere.
The topic came up elsewhere in some blog comments and I'm bringing it up here because I want to mull it over some more.

So I have this idea of the practice. You learn Primary then add some of 2nd. Later you do half and half perhaps and then split the practice. You end up doing five days of Intermediate and one day of Primary. You start adding some 3rd series perhaps and the process is repeated until you end up doing four days of 3rd one of Primary, one of Intermediate. Perhaps this continues on with fourth.

Do you not get to the point where you say, enough is enough, I don't really want any more postures but prefer to stick with where I am. If so how does that work? Do you end up doing five days of Intermediate and one of Primary for the next twenty years, or four days of Third, one of Primary, one of Intermediate?

I'm assuming that somewhere along the line you settle into a more balanced practice but what does that look like? Is it two a week of the first three series or split the week. half Primary half Intermediate, or perhaps you alternate days. How does that work? And how do you you square that with your Shala?

Home Ashtangi's don't get much contact with the long term practitioners we might meet at a shala. We don't get to see or hear so much how that gets worked out.

I find it a relevant question in relation to my own practice. At home we have more freedom to organize our own practice, we have both the student role and the facilitator. I can understand some of the reasons why Shala's need to work in the way they do, in that they are having to deal with a large number of students at different stages of their practice. We (Home Ashtangis) have less constraints. The videos we learn from reflect different traditions in the practice as do the books we read and the workshops we might go to. Do we learn the first couple of series quickly as they did in the early days or take things more slowly as they do now. Do we take five breaths an asana or eight, do half of standing before 2nd or do the whole thing. Do we do all the Vinyasa or perhaps half ? Or do we just practice at home as if we were at a regular Shala?

I started working on 3rd series but didn't want to do four days of it at the expense of my beloved Primary.... or of Intermediate. I tried two of each and then tried alternating them. In the end up I came up with a sequence that included most of Primary and Intermediate with a lot of 3rd series shuffled in and with the option of adding more of 3rd on my days off . It's a nice sequence and I've been doing it for two or three weeks now. I like it but it's a little long in that it cuts into my Pranayama time in the morning.

There's a side of me that likes learning new asanas but another that realizes a forty minute balanced asana practice followed by half an hour of Pranayama and Meditation is probably what I'm really interested in. I find myself in the absurd situation of thinking, OK, another year exploring the higher series and then I'll settle down to the practice I really want.

And so I'm curious, how do those long term practitioners work it. How have they made it work for them. I'm not trying to be controversial here. Did they just gravitate into a practice that worked for them without thinking about it, or considering it, or thinking about where and what they wanted to practice, indeed what they would be able to practice given the changing demands of their lives outside the practice.

So there's this David Williams workshop in July on a sustainable practice for life, I think I'll try and make it.

Here's a link to David Williams' website where he outlines his workshop.
And here's one to his forum
This 'open letter' to students I find particularly interesting.

14 comments:

Ursula said...

I have certain ambitious to do first and second series. That's it. I know that the mind always wants new things. So it might happen that I learn new poses from third series. But this has no more the importance. At least I think so now.

To add pranayama and meditation also seems for me more important.

Primary and second series are already so many asanas.......

Jen Stevenson said...

He came to see us in Texas in November. Great workshop. Nothing like I thought it would be. Practice was very gentle, just moving and breathing, nothing hard core. He doesn't do any adjusting and follows the sequence the way he was taught. Very interesting words of wisdom as he has led an interesting life. It was great to hear his stories, the lineage and all his funny memories of Guruji. He is at peace with the practice he has in his life right now and I came away with more acceptance of myself and where I am.... today.

You should really go listen to him!

Gauranga Das said...

As I commented previously, I do the 1-2-3-1-2-3 system and I find it balanced. I don't like to break up the sequence or mix it up cause I feel it works optimally as it is. If I have less time (like last week was rather chaotic) I still start with the standing and go as far as I can even if I have like 1 hour or a half. If I don't finish a full sequence one day, I continue from the same point next day. I will try to stick to this scheme for 2010.

Boodiba said...

"enough is enough" - I got to that point with the question of adding Buddhasana, without being able to balance Sayanasana. People do get moved on without balancing, but I don't want to.

So now I'm back with Chris doing four consecutive days of 3rd a week, three of those featuring some 4th. And ya I used the word "sustainable" in describing how he puts the brakes on what he sees as my tendency toward excess all the time.

I've heard from another person who knows a bit more 4th than myself, that after she learned it, she stopped doing 3rd every day.

Who knows? Right now what I'm doing seems hard but sustainable for the time being. I could never have a full-time job and/or a child and do it, but I don't want either of those things.

Grimmly said...

I think your right Ursula first and second is plenty. Nice to explore 3rd a little though. Pranayama is more important to me too. Those poses are seductive though.

Thanks Jan, interesting that he doesn't adjust, Supposedly Kridhnamacharya didn't either. Going by his forum he seems to have question and explored his practice fully, great ghat he's found peace with it, very interested in what he has to say.

I found 123123 ok GD but I think 3rd seems to need those four days a week to become comfortable, for me at least. I worked through it this afternoon, was ok, perhaps the last three weeks have helped. Might give the 123 approach another go.

Grimmly said...

Thanks Boodi, was hoping you might comment on this, was thinking of you a little in this context. 4th looks a nice series though, seems more balanced than 3rd though lacking in forward bends. Very little in it that I could imagine doing at this point, serious yogi stuff there huh. what do you see yourself practicing every morning ten years from now?

Gauranga Das said...

I didn't mean to force my system on you in any way. What may work for me might not work for you. Just a view.

Grimmly said...

Don't worry you didn't/haven't. I tried that approach before and it wasn't working, this time perhaps it will. Whatever, I need more time in the morning for pranayama. No doubt they knew what they were doing when they divide it up into those forty minute series ( plus standing and finishing of course).

maya9 said...

I thought this quote from his forum was interesting:

"After 30 years, the whole "asana trip" fades into the background as one gets more and more into the mulabandha, breathe, and super consciousness of the invisible practices."

His answers to questions are very consistent. The emphasis on yoga that feels good to do is an antidote to the accomplish-achieve-drive-forward thing that I can fall into.

Glad to have found these links here, Grim. Thanks!

maya9 said...

Further thought, sorry, I hit publish too quick.

That this is, after all, an eight limbed practice, only one limb of which is asana. AFter the frontier of cool asana, perhaps the next frontier is the inner experience.

I want me some of that samadhi stuff ole Patanjali keeps going on about.

LI Ashtangini said...

At some point, Guruji offered Chuck Miller the 'next' pose (I guess in fourth? or fifth? It wasn't fourth or fifth back then) Chuck said 'no, I'm good, thanks' and Guruji said 'Good, NOW you're ready to practice yoga.'

Grimmly said...

'an antidote to the accomplish-achieve-drive-forward thing that I can fall into.'
You and me both Maya. glad you like the links we have Roselil to thank.

Like that LI A. Couldn't help hearing Yoda in my head when I read it though. "Ready to practice Yoga now you are". Took him 'till ruddy fourth before he said anything though : )

Flo said...

I hear amazing things about David.
And as a girl that is getting back into the Primary series; I do not look further beyond what is right ahead and that is getting through primary again. when I fell off the Ashtanga wagon I feel hard and got a few bumps and bruises (on the ego as well) so I am not even able to make it through the entire primary series yet. So when or if I ever do make it to 2nd...I will address it then. But that is just my approach.
Hope to hear if you go to see David.

Mike Repede said...

I spent a couple days at a Richard Freeman workshop recently. The first night when he was teaching sun salutations and describing forward fold, he said sometimes your "fold" might be flat back more like 3rd position / halfway lift. This was a reference to stiffness, injury, age, etc. Then he joked about when you get older, you're just happy to still be breathing. Richard's humor is well known to have many layers of teaching.

While this doesn't answer your question of how to schedule your weeks for 2010, it seemed relevant to the broader idea of practicing for life. So thought I'd share!

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