That is so funny, as time passes by i want to try VK but i find it hard to let go of the A, maybe with time things will change, i think it will, i wonder is it an age thing ? you know, the way K may have taught A in his younger days and VK in his older days...
“For teenagers, they should only focus on Asana and do them quickly, one after another, so they don’t get bored.”
“Adults can focus on both Asana and Pranayama when young, mostly Pranayama and Dhyana as they reach middle age, and just Dhyana in old age.”
-Sri Tirumalai Krishnamacharya, quoted in “Health, Healing and Beyond: Yoga and the Living Tradition of Krishnamacharya” by T.K.V. Desikachar with R.H. Cravens.
I dont put it down to age so much as just a desire to explore other aspects of yoga. Tricky with ashtanga, so hot and sweaty afterwards that you don't really want to sit and do your pranayama let alone meditation. Of course here At home i can get changed and sit somewhere else or thrown down a fresh towel but I imagine it must difficult in a Shala.
That's the idea behind Ramaswami's other book CK, Yoga for the three stages of life, have you see it. Think I'm still hung up with asana, don't want to give up on the asana madness just yet or even cut back on it for that matter. clearly I want my cake and to eat it too but then I came to the practice late.
Dear Grimmly Maybe that explains why I am being able to stick to the Vinyasa Krama, because its like my daily meditation. I am only being able to practice an hour per day, though, and the warmp up poses take me 45 minutes, which leaves 15 for whatever I can do of the series of that day. The warmup poses include sun salutations, backbends, hip openers and squats. I also came to the practice late and I'm getting older. Mostly my challenge is how busy my work and personal life is at the moment, with having to learn a language on top of everything. Cheers, Arturo
One of the best things I learnt from Vinyasa krama was that there's no difference between the 'warm up' postures and the big poses. It's stupid I know but Standing seemed like something to get out of the way and I'd rush finishing. Seeing those poses in the One leg and triangle sequences and the stress Ramaswami put on inversions and the humble paschimottanasana, first posture of primary was quite an eye opener. 45 minutes of warm up poses, that's a lot of yoga Arturo. Btw, I really like your approach to working through the sequences, picking up where you left off the day before and think Ramaswami would very much approve of it. Over a couple of weeks your reaching every part of your body.
I also think that all that thrashing about on the mat, as it were, is balanced by the slower, more meditative sequences. If I don't practice ashtanga for three days or more, I inevitably fall ill (unless I'm practicing with Dharma, on his watch). But the body feels a whole lot better if I throw in two Dharma Yoga practices each week. I've also noticed that the body requires far more fuel when it does more ashtanga.
I've also noticed that the Dharma Yoga helps the ashtanga practice, but not vice-versa.
Interesting quotes there C.K. I have a bit to go before the middle age marker and like you Grimmly I have a lot of hunger for asana. I am getting more interested in VK as time goes by and like you Arturo I know in future I will be time limited as I am entering family life (7th series as Pattabhi Jois described it), and I like the idea of picking up from where you left off in the series each day. I do a bit of the tadasana sequence before the sun salutes already, I might dedicate one day to VK soon .)
I was a strong practitioner of the Sivananda Style of Hatha Yoga for many years but now doing 2 styles of self practice :1) Ashtanga Vinyasa and 2) Iyengar Style Hatha Yoga and I do not see any conflict in the same .I feel each and every style of Asana practice has its own merits and we need to appreciate the merits in each instead of getting dogmatic about a particular style of practice .
As it happens the bottom picture i assume your referring to is a sculpture of the Yoai saint, Tirumula who wrote the Tirumantiram (in Tamil). I did a post on it a while back here with his story and some verses http://grimmly2007.blogspot.com/2010/09/tirumulars-thirumandiram.html
ashtanga yoga as superman but I've never seen a sadhaka of ashtanga with a minimum of siddhis (but they are very flexible) the only ones I know are sidhis sadhakas with Bishnu Ghosh lineage
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That's so funny.... For me, ashtanga is like a strong cup of coffee, while Dharma Yoga is masala chai.
I've only got Astanga yoga, my own variations therein and my own, self-styled yoga, which is completely non vinyasa.
That is so funny, as time passes by i want to try VK but i find it hard to let go of the A, maybe with time things will change, i think it will, i wonder is it an age thing ? you know, the way K may have taught A in his younger days and VK in his older days...
“For teenagers, they should only focus on Asana and do them quickly, one after another, so they don’t get bored.”
“Adults can focus on both Asana and Pranayama when young, mostly Pranayama and Dhyana as they reach middle age, and just Dhyana in old age.”
-Sri Tirumalai Krishnamacharya, quoted in “Health, Healing and Beyond: Yoga and the Living Tradition of Krishnamacharya” by T.K.V. Desikachar with R.H. Cravens.
from my blog.
I dont put it down to age so much as just a desire to explore other aspects of yoga. Tricky with ashtanga, so hot and sweaty afterwards that you don't really want to sit and do your pranayama let alone meditation. Of course here At home i can get changed and sit somewhere else or thrown down a fresh towel but I imagine it must difficult in a Shala.
That's the idea behind Ramaswami's other book CK, Yoga for the three stages of life, have you see it. Think I'm still hung up with asana, don't want to give up on the asana madness just yet or even cut back on it for that matter. clearly I want my cake and to eat it too but then I came to the practice late.
Dear Grimmly
Maybe that explains why I am being able to stick to the Vinyasa Krama, because its like my daily meditation. I am only being able to practice an hour per day, though, and the warmp up poses take me 45 minutes, which leaves 15 for whatever I can do of the series of that day. The warmup poses include sun salutations, backbends, hip openers and squats.
I also came to the practice late and I'm getting older. Mostly my challenge is how busy my work and personal life is at the moment, with having to learn a language on top of everything.
Cheers,
Arturo
One of the best things I learnt from Vinyasa krama was that there's no difference between the 'warm up' postures and the big poses. It's stupid I know but Standing seemed like something to get out of the way and I'd rush finishing. Seeing those poses in the One leg and triangle sequences and the stress Ramaswami put on inversions and the humble paschimottanasana, first posture of primary was quite an eye opener. 45 minutes of warm up poses, that's a lot of yoga Arturo. Btw, I really like your approach to working through the sequences, picking up where you left off the day before and think Ramaswami would very much approve of it. Over a couple of weeks your reaching every part of your body.
I have seen the book.
I was responding to Niall.
I also think that all that thrashing about on the mat, as it were, is balanced by the slower, more meditative sequences. If I don't practice ashtanga for three days or more, I inevitably fall ill (unless I'm practicing with Dharma, on his watch). But the body feels a whole lot better if I throw in two Dharma Yoga practices each week. I've also noticed that the body requires far more fuel when it does more ashtanga.
I've also noticed that the Dharma Yoga helps the ashtanga practice, but not vice-versa.
Interesting quotes there C.K. I have a bit to go before the middle age marker and like you Grimmly I have a lot of hunger for asana. I am getting more interested in VK as time goes by and like you Arturo I know in future I will be time limited as I am entering family life (7th series as Pattabhi Jois described it), and I like the idea of picking up from where you left off in the series each day.
I do a bit of the tadasana sequence before the sun salutes already, I might dedicate one day to VK soon .)
I was a strong practitioner of the Sivananda Style of Hatha Yoga for many years but now doing 2 styles of self practice :1) Ashtanga Vinyasa and 2) Iyengar Style Hatha Yoga and I do not see any conflict in the same .I feel each and every style of Asana practice has its own merits and we need to appreciate the merits in each instead of getting dogmatic about a particular style of practice .
Is it Captain Squid (I think he is, not an octopus) from Pirates of Caribbean?
Ahhhh you be meanin' Davy Jones me hearty...
As it happens the bottom picture i assume your referring to is a sculpture of the Yoai saint, Tirumula who wrote the Tirumantiram (in Tamil). I did a post on it a while back here with his story and some verses
http://grimmly2007.blogspot.com/2010/09/tirumulars-thirumandiram.html
I eventually found a copy, wonderful stuff.
thanks for the comment shipmate.
ashtanga yoga as superman but I've never seen a sadhaka of ashtanga with a minimum of siddhis (but they are very flexible) the only ones I know are sidhis sadhakas with Bishnu Ghosh lineage
please look to video
1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oayIFqgCzVE&list=PL314CF510430EDE0F
2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv0eVb_RyWU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ60ifTgxQk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Thanks for the video links P. saw them ages ago, good to see them again great fun.
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