My response to a comment in the previous post
I just have issues with 'surrender' and find Ishvara pranidhana problematic for me personally, how we interpret it, translate it, how it travels from one world view to another, it's use in Indian philosophy and religion but then being transposed to the west with it's Judeo-Christian tradition.
Find it irritating because it gets used so freely, often carelessly ( seems to have got mixed up with the whole woo woo new age thing, swished around a bit and thrown out the other side), yet perhaps no other concept in yoga should be approached with more reflection.
I would rather use other words where possible, unless surrender is definitely the word we want and are using it mindfully.
I just cringe internally whenever I hear it.
So I wouldn't use 'surrender into a pose', relax ...release perhaps, anything anything but : )
I take your point though. That's just the practice though, no? As we become more comfortable in a posture we're able to release into it more, some postures take longer than others. Took a couple of years before leg behind head postures became as comfortable as they are now allowing me to stretch out through them.
As I said in an earlier, I see asana, as an adventure, a confrontation, an exchange, an encounter.... but not a surrender
Surrender of what exactly?
I should add something here perhaps.
I'm not intending to be flippant, difficult, provocative, I genuinely struggle with this.
Coming from a Philosophy background I find concepts like ego, mind, consciousness, self , highly problematic and hesitate to use them, I find it awkward when I come up against them in general usage, in comments say.
For twenty years I've been struggling with the subject/object distinction. I cheer with my boy Heidegger when he demolishes Descartes dualism and yet live in an experientially dualistic world. Accepting something intellectually is one thing escaping from what feels so intuitive and unavoidable in everyday life, quite another matter.
Yoga is, for me, is an attempt to overcome the subject(ive) in an existential sense. To break out of, dissolve, escape, the experience of self or at least work at the chitta vritti nirodhah such that I can bring a less fluctuating mind more clearly to bare on the problem
... or come to the conclusion that I've been completely wrong.
The path is the same, it's a win win situation.
Of course I like bouncing around on rubber mats too.
It seems, going by the comments, I haven't explained my point well. Iyengar sums it up in the commentary to 1.32
from Iyengar's commentary on 1:32 p80 Light on yoga
'1.32 yaypratisedhartham ekatattva abhyasah
Adherence to single minded effort prevents these impediments
To remove the thirteen impediments and prevent their recurrence, several specific methods have been described.
Though most people have concluded that ekatattva is devotion and surrender to God, it is beyond the average person's comprehension that surrender to god is the cure for all maladies. If surrender to god were possible for everyone, and could itself eradicate all impediments, patanjali need not have elaborated on all the other means of reaching the divine state. Only a few outstanding personalities like Ramana Maharsi, Sri Rama-krishna paramahamsa, mahatma Gandhi, jada Bharata and the great acaryas of the past could surrender wholeheartedly to God, as they were angels in human form, highly evolved should whose subliminal impressions from previous lives enabled them to assume their final human form in order to clear up the residues.
Total surrender to God is beyond the capabilities of most ordinary men and women, who are caught up in pleasure and pain, joy and sorrow, success and failure. Meditation undoubtably helps to minimise the mental agitations of such persons to conquer all the obstacles to Self-Realization, all the eight stages of Yoga must be followed.
only when the body, mind and intelligence are fully purified is it possible to surrender totally to God, without expecting any return. This is the surrender of the highest order, beyond the capacity of the average individual.'
Me, I'm just an average guy, not an angel, so for now, I'll just worry about the practice and see where that takes me.