Saturday, 10 December 2011

Wondering if perhaps Ashtanga isn't the best practice for you anymore?

I woke up to a link to David Garrigues Winter 2011 Newsletter this morning. I was directed to the letter at the end of the Newsletter. My Highlighting. Thanks S. for the heads up.


Ask David A Question
Lastly, I would like to share a question I received through the Asana Kitchen and my response.
Hello,
I have a question. I have been practicing for at least 5 years, Ashtanga, visited Mysore twice, and now in second series, Pincha Mayurasana. Both times that I had been to India, I got quite sick with anemia. I am very Vata, and I believe the practice just exhausts me. Sharath believes always I can do more, but I know inside it's just my 'wind' pushing me through but my mind is battling. Exhausted. It's a hard place to be. I love Ashtanga, and it saddens me to think maybe it really isn't the best practice for me anymore? Even now when I do the second series, I spend most of my day feeling anger, blocked, and ironically out of my centre. My creative and easy going nature is hard to reach. I understand the idea of facing and working through such emotions. I do my best. But it's been quite a constant for the past year or more. These feelings don't change much.
Have you had any stories or experiences similar come your way?
I hope not to bore you with my mundane question.
Here is my response.
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Hi,
Thank you for writing. Your question is very important and far from mundane. If I could work with you, see you practice get to know you a bit, it would be much easier to give you a helpful answer. Trying other styles is certainly an option, and you have to ask your self if that is really what you want to do. If you do want to do that, then there you have it. It might be important to check out what else is out there before you really decide that Ashtanga is best for you. But maybe you honestly do want to do Ashtanga and for whatever reason you are running into a major road block that is seeming to last too long. And you'd like to work through it, but it's really challenging you. In that case I would consider that it might be more how you are thinking about and approaching your practice that is at the root of what is tiring and frustrating you. Remember that really the practice is there to serve you--and you have more freedom than you might be allowing your self to change it up and tweak things so that it continues to feed and nourish you. You can mix things up and do more primary or part of primary and part of intermediate. You can lighten things up when you feel the need by practicing shorter or skipping some asana's on some days, or spending more time with finishing postures. Your practice needs to be soulful and to come from a place of genuine inner agreement--where you agree with what you are doing and how you are doing it each day. Are you practicing alone or with a teacher? If alone then it can be challenging not to get frustrated because of not having instruction or community, but also it is easier to mix things up too and do what feels right to you. If you have a daily teacher than you'll have to work with them so that you are aligned with what is happening in the class. If you were in my class I'd look at what you are doing and how you are doing it, and then make suggestions for doing some different things along the lines what I mentioned above. It can be tricky to mix things and still continue to respect the guidelines of the lineage.
But it is essential to do especially when the alternative is to discontinue your practice. It helps me to remember that true ashtanga as taught by Sri K. Pattabhi Jois is a living, creative lineage. And therefore the application of the method ought not to be rigid nor dogmatically fixed. One size doesn't fit all, we are all unique and specific and thus have differing requirements that necessitate different sorts of interpretations of the practice. And this goes in cycles; sometimes we are able to flow along precisely in step with the vinyasa protocol and at other times we have to practice in slower or more theraputic modes or in other ways that are possibly not quite what ashtanga allegedly is supposed to be or look like. For me the thread that always keeps it all connected is my lasting, genuine love and devotion to ashtanga. In order for the lineage to evolve, grow and thrive each one of us must ever create the lineage anew through our 'research', our personal relationship to the struggles and triumphs of our daily practices.
Ashtanga is such a treasure, such a powerful practice, I'd hate to see you leave it when you've come so far (almost through the intermediate!). Maybe you can soften, listen within for more inner cues on how you need to practice just now. And one more thing is I'd really look at your breathing too, if your breathing is not balanced, either too much force or not enough power, then your energy will get disrupted. This is true especially with the passage of time and can become a road block to developing your intermediate practice.
Hope some of this helps and drop me line let me know how you are doing.
All the Best
Om Namah Shivaya!
Hari Om,
David

Here's the link to the full Newsletter
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As it happens I wrote a post on Primary last night but the Mac froze and I lost it, dodgy wifi connection. It was about practising just Primary, that same sequence day in day out and how appealing that was to me right now. Not 2nd or Advanced, no additional postures (other than drop backs) but just that same series everyday and not writing about it or any of it anymore (says me writing about it), just the practice.

Cave yogi.

You could do it with any set sequence of course, you could do it with 2nd series but I've never felt the effect to be the same, the postures never seem to flow into each other as they do in Primary, 2nd seems more like a series of courses.

Perhaps sometimes you need to run ahead a bit before you realise what was right in front of you, Primary is the Advanced series.

Of course I'd still keep my Vinyasa Krama practice but that's become a couple of short subroutines before settling into Pranayama and meditation, I hardly think of it as a separate asana practice anymore.

Not suggesting here that this is the right way to approach the practice, it's just one of many of course.

'...each one of us must ever create the lineage anew through our 'research', our personal relationship to the struggles and triumphs of our daily practices'.

LATER
Nor am I talking about not seeking to progress or explore new postures . I really do believe that you should add new postures whenever you feel ready, start 2nd when you feel ready....even if your not sure your ready. Once you've practiced for a number of months (I'd say at least six), have most of Primary under your belt and are practicing pretty much most days you have a better understanding of your body than anyone else. An asana teacher, books, the community, discuss it with them but in the end it's up to you, it's your practice, always your practice.

Exploring new postures, taking on new challenges is another way to practice and besides it might turn out the 2nd or 3rd is your series, the one you'll want to practice everyday just as I've gone back to Primary and started to think that this is the series I want to practice every day.

And there are many ways to practice Primary, there is no right way though perhaps a few wrong ones. Full vinyasa might be for you, if I had more time it probably would be for me, I have a soft spot for it.

It might be Primary up to Kapo (am considering it) or half primary/half 2nd.

Your primary might be how it was taught in the 70's, 80's, 90's or how it's taught currently in Mysore. For me it's with the chin down in most postures rather than bothering that much with drishti. I also like to jump in and out of postures but that's me, it's how I've become familiar with the practice, it's my Primary.

12 comments:

StEvE said...

It's a shame to hear that the post you wrote was lost. I think there might be a bug in Lion. That same thing has happened to me after writing a few lengthy emails to friends on Facebook. At the time it makes you want to scream! I often draft stuff in 'notepad' now, just in case.

One of the things that never fails to leave you awestruck about a long time spent practicing primary alone, are the subtle dynamic changes that occur as your practice deepens, and subtle internal changes take place in your body. It's super when rising up into headstand, or lifting and jumping back become as effortless as standing up after sitting for a while.

Been thinking about rates of 'progress' a lot lately, (because I'm a tortoise in that field), and one event that cut very deep into my own perception of this practice. My regular teacher at a Mysore Shala that I went to back then, was away in Mysore. When he went away, he never failed to make sure that it didn't leave his students abandoned, and arranged for first class cover.

That particular year, he'd arranged for another certified teacher to cover the mid., and late shifts. I was in early, and in he came, rolling down a mat. At that point, I was like many of us Westerners. I wanted fast-track progress at all costs. Anyway, he proceeded to run through Intermediate as if it was on the surface of the moon; completely effortless and weightlessly. This was just so incredibly hypnotizing to watch, and had clearly been attained through regular practice over a LONG period of time. For me, that was a turning point and since then, I rarely think about 'what's next'. (Though of course, we all get ourselves aware of your next new challenge), I could no longer see the point of 'busting a gut' to include it. It's SO much nicer to just find yourself ready for it at the right point, which you WILL reach naturally.

David's response to this guy, brought all that back, and it was so refreshing to see him sharing his, openly flexible view and to write that deviating and exploring aren't mortal sins. It was the most uplifting thing I've read in ages.

Sorry Tony, huge comment. Just as he says in his letter, I"m one of the ones that suffers with having no yoga-community where I live. :o(

karen said...

I love David G. This is the line I see as the heart of s message:

"Your practice needs to be soulful and to come from a place of genuine inner agreement--where you agree with what you are doing and how you are doing it each day."

The most important part of practice is finding peace in your practice. And that's not an easy task! I always want to over-think and rush ahead -- but day after day of the practice itself is slowly working that out of my system. Burning karma!

maya9 said...

I recently learned that David is coming to my area, only a 30 minute drive, next spring. I am planning to go, so excited, but also nervous, as a home ashtangi, certain I'll be doing everything "wrong." I like this post, helps me feel like it'll be okay, that he's not rigid.

I've been struggling with the back half of primary for a while, keep wanting to stop at navasana and go on to finishing, just feel TIRED. This makes me think, maybe that's okay for now (plus I just added in some of the Heather Morton backbending...), maybe I'll just go with it. Probably in a shala they wouldn't let me past Mari D anyway, :).

Love stopping by your blog, always yoga food for thought for me.

エスタ said...

Nice one. Just what I needed to read today. Thank you. (^_^)

Grimmly said...

I had Lino and john Scott in my head when i wrote Ashtanga IS the Advanced practice, whenever I watch John Scott's I wonder why we would want to practice anything else. I do like that bench mark aspect of practicing the same series everyday.

Progress is a curious idea, you can see why everyone gets so het up about it, what it is and isn't. In VK there isn't really a series progression so there's not that sense of advancement, some postures are developments of those that have gone before of course. I've found practising some of the so called more advanced postures help my more basic postures, finding new things to work in them. Pasasana for example makes you find read more in utkatasana which then becomes better prep for pasasana itself. It does the same for Mari D. We have such a stable base in mari D that we can take it for granted but after pasasana we can think about marii D as if it wasn't so stable, what if we were doing Mari D on a gymnast's beam (basically purna M) how would we approach the posture then.

But then one of the reasons for going back to primary for me at the moment is not to think about the postures at all but rather the meditative flow of the series, just happens to be what i'm interested in at the moment.

Exploring for a bit can be good. thanks for the long comment and taking the time to write it.

Grimmly said...

'The most important part of practice is finding peace in your practice'

I'm mulling this over Karen, want to agree, it's where I'm at now but that 'peace in Primary' comes after a lot of exploration of advanced postures but then I was at peace with that, a new posture has never been a source of conflict and suffering for me, quite joyous in fact. Loved working them out, thinking them through, taking them apart and putting them together again. for now thug I don't want to think about a posture, just do it and get lost in the sequence of familiar postures.

Does that suggest I agree or disagree

Grimmly said...

navasana is weird Maya, the only posture we repeat five times, very vinyasa krama ish in fact. perhaps you should skip it for a bit or just do it once and continue you straight into bhuja pindasana.

Some practice first half of primary/first half of 2nd

or second half of primary second half of 2nd or other combinations of the two, legit supposedly.

your kind of doing the first half of primary and the first half of 2nd although in the Heather Morten guise

How about one day a week Standing/Heather Morten stuff/ 2nd half of primary/finishing

I kind of have a soft spot for the second half of Primary these days, can you tell.

PS, downloaded your Toby book to my iPad this week, first novel I've tried to read on the iPad (usually read in the bath-a problem).

Glad this is what the doctor ordered today エスタ

StEvE said...

I totally understand what you're saying re. Pasasana and how it effects postures that come earlier in the Ashtanga sequence. It feels like it goes so much deeper and closer to the core, which takes you to new places with many of the postures that you've been doing for ages, if you've been learning it in sequence. The healing never stops eh?

Karen said...

I don't know that your thoughts agree or disagree with the concept of peacefulness. One thing I often wonder is whether all of my (over)thinking and experimenting has just ultimately brought me to where I'd be anyhow -- I kinda think so! The thinking has been my own add-on, and ultimately unnecessary. Same answer one gets in zen practice. I tend to over value thinking. More practice is necessary. :-)

Bibi said...

Brilliant response from David, thanks for sharing. It reminds me again that whenever one of the senior teachers speak up on this matter - about tradition and whether to follow it strictly or listen to yourself and focus on enjoying it - they generally talk a lot of sense, and there's usually very little dogma and rigidity. Makes it a lot nicer to be a part of the Ashtanga community when these kinds of guys are leading.

Grimmly said...

I agree Karen, it's the practice that tends to take you where your going rather than thinking about it, seems to have a life of it's own, the thinking is perhaps just an attempt to make sense of it and as you say hardly matters. but then it's not like we're practising like the monty python philosopher's match, when we practice we practice, later we think and that's proscribed in both the Patanjali and Buddhism, putting it all to the test of our own rationality and experience.

Grimmly said...

hi Bibi, yes the older and senior teachers do often seem more laid back about things, perhaps that's to be expected.

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